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		<title>By: Handfilter - Hario vs. Melitta - Kaffee-Netz - Die Community rund ums Thema Kaffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handfilter - Hario vs. Melitta - Kaffee-Netz - Die Community rund ums Thema Kaffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Unblocked &#171; hermitudinous dot com</title>
		<link>http://theotherblackstuff.ie/thoughts/at-odds-with-unevenness/comment-page-1/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>Unblocked &#171; hermitudinous dot com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 23:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the wonders of pour-over brewing, Mr. Walsh gives a fair look at its unevenness&#8230; and makes me do a lot of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Read this blog (post) at Love that coffee!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read this blog (post) at Love that coffee!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: [Krtsch] der Woche XVIII</title>
		<link>http://theotherblackstuff.ie/thoughts/at-odds-with-unevenness/comment-page-1/#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator>[Krtsch] der Woche XVIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ist so etwas wie der Moderator der internationalen Kaffeeszene. Vor einiger Zeit verwies er auf ein kleines Experiment von David Walsh. Auch nur ein bisschen an Kaffee interessiert? Lesen! Nach dem Schock ob der Professionalität, mit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ist so etwas wie der Moderator der internationalen Kaffeeszene. Vor einiger Zeit verwies er auf ein kleines Experiment von David Walsh. Auch nur ein bisschen an Kaffee interessiert? Lesen! Nach dem Schock ob der Professionalität, mit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mattise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent Post David,

to pick up quickly on the geometry part of brewer design, it&#039;s been something i&#039;ve been thinking about for a few months now and i&#039;m convinced that what the numbers show in terms of evenness is down to the elongated base of the Melitta style brewer. 

I&#039;m convinced that the longer more barrow-like shape of the extraction bed seems to lend itself to a evenness more consistently rather than the cone-sphere (is there a better name for this) shaped bed of the V60 or Chemex. 

My initial thoughts are that the shorter transit length through the grinds from top of the bed to the egress has an influence on the extraction, much work still to do though.

Mat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Post David,</p>
<p>to pick up quickly on the geometry part of brewer design, it&#8217;s been something i&#8217;ve been thinking about for a few months now and i&#8217;m convinced that what the numbers show in terms of evenness is down to the elongated base of the Melitta style brewer. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that the longer more barrow-like shape of the extraction bed seems to lend itself to a evenness more consistently rather than the cone-sphere (is there a better name for this) shaped bed of the V60 or Chemex. </p>
<p>My initial thoughts are that the shorter transit length through the grinds from top of the bed to the egress has an influence on the extraction, much work still to do though.</p>
<p>Mat</p>
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		<title>By: Melitta (Plastik) Handfilter - Kaffee-Netz - Die Community rund ums Thema Kaffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melitta (Plastik) Handfilter - Kaffee-Netz - Die Community rund ums Thema Kaffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great experiment that gets to the heart of several discussions I&#039;ve had over the past few weeks about barista training for manual brew techniques. You leave me with so many questions and a burning desire to spend a day in the lab with a sieve and a group of skilled cuppers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great experiment that gets to the heart of several discussions I&#8217;ve had over the past few weeks about barista training for manual brew techniques. You leave me with so many questions and a burning desire to spend a day in the lab with a sieve and a group of skilled cuppers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tumi Ferrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tumi Ferrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David.

A fine experiment, and I agree: Scott Rao&#039;s book is essential. It has changed my thinking on the elements of brewing, especially with the concept of agitation.

I agree with Rasmus on the kettle thing; it&#039;s much easier preinfusing with it than right from the boiler, I would think.

As I surfed the online tutorials on v60 brewing, I noticed many of them agreed on making that hole in the coffee grounds before preinfusing. Perhaps that leads to a more even extraction—more to the bottom than what came in your result. I couldn&#039;t imagine any other purpose for making that hole...

If I remember correctly, Scott Rao puts quite an emphasis on keeping the volume in the chamber as low as possible while brewing. I can&#039;t reference the book now because I&#039;ve already borrowed it to a friend of mine (never again!). You on the other hand almost fill the chamber (i.e. use the v60 like a Melitta), both in the stirred and unstirred brewing version. Which is not necessarily wrong; as an experiment, where most factors should be under control, these two brewing styles show extremes in both directions.

I think we all have our individual idea of a mixed method of the stirred and the unstirred. Pouring over with the kettle I find more and more akin to espresso making; keeping a slow-but-steady flow requires the same consentration as tamping the coffee evenly on the portafilter.

I hope I make some sense, if any. I just want to say that this experiment is very inspiring. I guess people are still realising the massive influence this experiment will have; and many, I think, have had the same idea, but never carried it out.

Looking forward to seeing new results in the future!

— Tumi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David.</p>
<p>A fine experiment, and I agree: Scott Rao&#8217;s book is essential. It has changed my thinking on the elements of brewing, especially with the concept of agitation.</p>
<p>I agree with Rasmus on the kettle thing; it&#8217;s much easier preinfusing with it than right from the boiler, I would think.</p>
<p>As I surfed the online tutorials on v60 brewing, I noticed many of them agreed on making that hole in the coffee grounds before preinfusing. Perhaps that leads to a more even extraction—more to the bottom than what came in your result. I couldn&#8217;t imagine any other purpose for making that hole&#8230;</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, Scott Rao puts quite an emphasis on keeping the volume in the chamber as low as possible while brewing. I can&#8217;t reference the book now because I&#8217;ve already borrowed it to a friend of mine (never again!). You on the other hand almost fill the chamber (i.e. use the v60 like a Melitta), both in the stirred and unstirred brewing version. Which is not necessarily wrong; as an experiment, where most factors should be under control, these two brewing styles show extremes in both directions.</p>
<p>I think we all have our individual idea of a mixed method of the stirred and the unstirred. Pouring over with the kettle I find more and more akin to espresso making; keeping a slow-but-steady flow requires the same consentration as tamping the coffee evenly on the portafilter.</p>
<p>I hope I make some sense, if any. I just want to say that this experiment is very inspiring. I guess people are still realising the massive influence this experiment will have; and many, I think, have had the same idea, but never carried it out.</p>
<p>Looking forward to seeing new results in the future!</p>
<p>— Tumi</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super interesting experiment! Bravo I&#039;m left with many more questions though. Would love to see this experimentation go on with a group of cuppers and general coffee drinking public. I wonder how this experiment plays out with taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super interesting experiment! Bravo I&#8217;m left with many more questions though. Would love to see this experimentation go on with a group of cuppers and general coffee drinking public. I wonder how this experiment plays out with taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Hario V60 Handfilter - Kaffee-Netz - Die Community rund ums Thema Kaffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hario V60 Handfilter - Kaffee-Netz - Die Community rund ums Thema Kaffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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