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		<title>By: Chris C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, well the Tanzania would help, wouldn&#039;t it. :-) (Had never seen it before just looking it up now, but it seems remarkably similar to the Ditting KR805 I used at my last shop. Does it have the awesome magnetic burr mounts the Ditting has?) 

Another good tip, thanks. It&#039;s been a while since I was trying, but I seem to remember it was the last ounce or two, yeah. I just didn&#039;t want to skew my results by not getting it all, but I suppose it really wouldn&#039;t have, in retrospect. The next thing I was going to try was cloth filter over top of the paper filter (so cloth first, then paper, hopefully not losing too much heat in the process).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, well the Tanzania would help, wouldn&#8217;t it. :-) (Had never seen it before just looking it up now, but it seems remarkably similar to the Ditting KR805 I used at my last shop. Does it have the awesome magnetic burr mounts the Ditting has?) </p>
<p>Another good tip, thanks. It&#8217;s been a while since I was trying, but I seem to remember it was the last ounce or two, yeah. I just didn&#8217;t want to skew my results by not getting it all, but I suppose it really wouldn&#8217;t have, in retrospect. The next thing I was going to try was cloth filter over top of the paper filter (so cloth first, then paper, hopefully not losing too much heat in the process).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using a Mahlkonig Tanzania at home.

To be honest, I haven&#039;t done the filtered french press in a little while. Now that I think of it, what you can do is collect together the top of the filter, and twist it together, so you apply a little pressure to any remaining liquid, pushing it through.

There shouldn&#039;t be too much liquid though, maybe 30ml or so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using a Mahlkonig Tanzania at home.</p>
<p>To be honest, I haven&#8217;t done the filtered french press in a little while. Now that I think of it, what you can do is collect together the top of the filter, and twist it together, so you apply a little pressure to any remaining liquid, pushing it through.</p>
<p>There shouldn&#8217;t be too much liquid though, maybe 30ml or so?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,

Yes, plunging first, so that only fines are left to be filtered - and of course because it&#039;s ONLY fines that are collecting in the filter, they seem to plug it up completely much more so (and more quickly) than when making a regular pour-over.  I am using a Rocky though, not one of the more high-end grinders, so I may just have excessive fines in my grind. Or perhaps it&#039;s because I grind a little finer than some for French press, to get a faster extraction time, and thus generate more fines that way. I&#039;ll try your tips and see if it helps. Am I to understand that you can filter FP coffee through a Melitta filter without it clogging, even when grinding yourself (not just when using pre-ground from an industrial grinder)? And if so, may I ask what grinder you&#039;re using?

Thanks again for the great blog, I&#039;ve been reading and watching videos all day. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>Yes, plunging first, so that only fines are left to be filtered &#8211; and of course because it&#8217;s ONLY fines that are collecting in the filter, they seem to plug it up completely much more so (and more quickly) than when making a regular pour-over.  I am using a Rocky though, not one of the more high-end grinders, so I may just have excessive fines in my grind. Or perhaps it&#8217;s because I grind a little finer than some for French press, to get a faster extraction time, and thus generate more fines that way. I&#8217;ll try your tips and see if it helps. Am I to understand that you can filter FP coffee through a Melitta filter without it clogging, even when grinding yourself (not just when using pre-ground from an industrial grinder)? And if so, may I ask what grinder you&#8217;re using?</p>
<p>Thanks again for the great blog, I&#8217;ve been reading and watching videos all day. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris, thanks. I don&#039;t do anything particularly special. Are you plunging with the French Press first (so most of the grinds stay in the press pot)? Other than that, you could try pouring slowly along the sides so the fines stay on the side of the filter rather than at the bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, thanks. I don&#8217;t do anything particularly special. Are you plunging with the French Press first (so most of the grinds stay in the press pot)? Other than that, you could try pouring slowly along the sides so the fines stay on the side of the filter rather than at the bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to jump in so late, but just found your blog today (and I must say, I&#039;m damned impressed)! 

David, would you mind sharing your methodology for filtering through the Melitta filter after brewing in the French press? I&#039;ve tried this myself (using coffee I&#039;d freshly ground) and the fines have always clogged the paper filter so badly that a good portion of the cup remained in the filter for several minutes+. I figured that this coffee, still in contact with fines, was thus overextracting and ruining the experiment I was conducting.... Although considering the discussion above about the superior grinding consistency of industrial grinders, perhaps you didn&#039;t do anything special, you just didn&#039;t have significant fines in the grind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to jump in so late, but just found your blog today (and I must say, I&#8217;m damned impressed)! </p>
<p>David, would you mind sharing your methodology for filtering through the Melitta filter after brewing in the French press? I&#8217;ve tried this myself (using coffee I&#8217;d freshly ground) and the fines have always clogged the paper filter so badly that a good portion of the cup remained in the filter for several minutes+. I figured that this coffee, still in contact with fines, was thus overextracting and ruining the experiment I was conducting&#8230;. Although considering the discussion above about the superior grinding consistency of industrial grinders, perhaps you didn&#8217;t do anything special, you just didn&#8217;t have significant fines in the grind!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Orr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least the consumer grade coffee marketing strategy on your side of the ocean looks cool... Ours is boring. Its almost surprising to me that you get the growing region on a bag from a grocery store. We are lucky to get anything like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least the consumer grade coffee marketing strategy on your side of the ocean looks cool&#8230; Ours is boring. Its almost surprising to me that you get the growing region on a bag from a grocery store. We are lucky to get anything like that.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right about the roller grinders. The consumer end is really espresso driven. Would I be willing to lose freshness to gain better particle distribution? No. 

Try a finer mesh maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right about the roller grinders. The consumer end is really espresso driven. Would I be willing to lose freshness to gain better particle distribution? No. </p>
<p>Try a finer mesh maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post -- Since my espresso setup is currently in storage I have been &quot;roughing it&quot; with a $200 burr grinder (Baratza Virtuoso) and an Abid Clever dripper.

I have to say that I&#039;m shocked by the particle distribution of the Virtuoso.  I have resorted to sifting the grinds through a mesh strainer.  I&#039;m left with a nice even French Press grind in the strainer and a heavy layer of powder in the waste bin.  My digital scale tells me I&#039;m losing 40% of the coffee in the sifting process.  Wow.

My point is, you might be on to something that a burr grinder is not in any way a panacea for the home coffee brewer.  The preground coffee, typically ground on huge industrial roller grinders, has a more even particle size and less fines than the average home burr grinder produces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post &#8212; Since my espresso setup is currently in storage I have been &#8220;roughing it&#8221; with a $200 burr grinder (Baratza Virtuoso) and an Abid Clever dripper.</p>
<p>I have to say that I&#8217;m shocked by the particle distribution of the Virtuoso.  I have resorted to sifting the grinds through a mesh strainer.  I&#8217;m left with a nice even French Press grind in the strainer and a heavy layer of powder in the waste bin.  My digital scale tells me I&#8217;m losing 40% of the coffee in the sifting process.  Wow.</p>
<p>My point is, you might be on to something that a burr grinder is not in any way a panacea for the home coffee brewer.  The preground coffee, typically ground on huge industrial roller grinders, has a more even particle size and less fines than the average home burr grinder produces.</p>
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